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started back in 2019, when the hospital partnered with a new debt collection company. now hospital officials tell us they are exploring partnering with a different company next year. but across the country, public hospitals -- some public hospitals -- have banned or stopped using lawsuits to collect medical debt. and in some states like california, new york, new mexico, and maryland, legislation there has been passed that either bans or limits the use of wage garnishment to collect unpaid medical debt. but in the state of arkansas, that kind of legislation, erin, does not exist. >> ed, thank you very much. and thank you so much for making sure everyone's aware of that story. thanks to all of you for being with us. with us. "ac 360" begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- tonight on "360" the former speaker of the house and the current speaker of the house, my exclusive conversation with now
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congresswoman nancy pelosi about kevin mccarthy's new impeachment probe, president biden running for re-election at his age and she at hers. also tonight how a fugitive killer was cornered and caught two frightening weeks after he broke out of prison. plus, why are these two smiling? and should the rest of the world be worried in the wake of kim jong-un and vladimir putin's meeting? we begin tonight with the first interview with nancy pelosi since the man who succeeded her in the speaker's chair, kevin mccarthy, opened an impeachment inquiry into president biden. congresswoman pelosi was, of course, a polarizing figure as speaker, but someone who even her opponents at the time conceded was remarkably good and effective at getting things done. that's in contrast tonight to mccarthy, who is grappling to get anything done, the most urgent of which is passing short-term budget measures in time to head off a government shutdown. one of them, a defense bill stalled, prompted a lawmaker to tell cnn, quote, if you can't pass defense, you can't pass any
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of them. so far speaker mccarthy cannot. nor can he seem to bring republican hardliners who he needs to pass legislation on board, not even after giving some of what they want on impeachment without bringing it to the floor for a vote, which is something mccarthy said he wouldn't do just a week ago. here he is yesterday justifying the move. >> nancy pelosi has changed the rules -- how are you, sir? >> good, good. >> good to see you. we're following through. >> i asked former speaker pelosi about that this afternoon. thanks so much for being with us. i appreciate it. >> pleasure. >> 12 days ago, speaker mccarthy told breitbart, if we move forward with an impeachment inquiry, it would occur on the floor of the people's house and not declaration by one person. why do you think he flip flopped? >> because probably he didn't have the votes. that's one reason you don't bring a bill to the floor. when we had the impeachment of
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president trump, followed the phone call and all the rest of that, that was revealed and i had a conversation with him. so, we moved forward collecting information to be prepared to bring a bill to the floor. he's saying, nancy didn't bring a bill to the floor. no, we did. >> you did, five weeks later, you brought the bill up for a vote. he does. he cites you. he's doing what he once criticized you for doing, criticized you for not initially having a vote. he says nancy pelosi has changed the rules of the house. we're just following through. >> it's not true. we had a few weeks where we had to make our case, and i had signed six committee chairs to get the information, the rest, then prepared us to bring the bill to the floor. they've had, what, nine months of collecting information. they have nothing. and -- >> because the trump department
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of justice ruling that because you hadn't brought it to a vote that the white house didn't need to cooperate -- the white house said that they didn't need to cooperate. that's something now that this white house could choose to do. >> that's right. >> would you recommend this white house not cooperate? >> it's not a question of not cooperate. it's a question of follow the law. we were planning to bring it to the floor, but we wanted to be ready. and member impact -- member impact -- that's how my heart beats, member impact. so, we're ready. the -- in the meantime, the trump administration and the justice department said, unless there's a bill on the floor, the administration does not have to answer to subpoenas. >> right. >> and that is the law. that became the law. and it is the law now. so, the administration can respond or not, but they don't have to. >> do you see some irony in this that the first impeachment of
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the former president was because of that phone call he had with president zelenskyy, pressuring him to launch an investigation into president biden. >> right. >> in order to smear him. zelenskyy resisted that. kevin mccarthy is doing what zelenskyy refused to do. he has given in and is pursuing an investigation. >> it's most unfortunate because impeachment is something that our founders put in the constitution. they foresaw that there could be a rogue executive of president. that is therefore a reason. and you have to have your case. why are you doing this? and does it qualify -- meet the standards for impeachment? with president trump, it was very clear that he had engaged in actions and activity in that phone call that really were -- >> despite months of
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investigation, republicans have yet to find any evidence implicating then-vice president biden in his son's affairs. >> that's right. >> mccarthy is saying this is just an inquiry. is it inevitable that it will be an impeachment? >> i think that is really more of a matter of politics of the republican caucus. you have to impeach the president or else we're going to vacate the chair of speaker. you have to shut down government or else we're going to vacate the chair. this is not responsible governance. but it's the chaos on the republican side. >> the threats that speaker mccarthy is -- you're just referencing, experiencing from his right flank, is it that what's driving him? or is it the former president? i mean, cnn has reported he and stefanik have spoken about impeachment. marjorie taylor greene says she told "the new york times" she had dinner with him at bedminster, spoke about the impeachment with him. is he the one, sort of, pulling
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the strings on this? >> he's shining a light on the strings, as i'm fond of saying. >> he's shining ai light on the strings? >> yes. thank you very much, mr. president. but they're connected. yes, the former president is exerting his influence, and the others are following up on it. so, they're not two separate things. is it the members of his committee or is it the president? it's the president. and the members of the republican caucus. >> is it an impossible situation that speaker mccarthy has put himself in in order to get power? >> yeah. i think it's an incredibly shrinking speakership. >> that's what it's become? >> yeah, it became that the first night when he had to make all these pledges, promises, to become speaker. really it isn't worth it to become speaker to advocate that much jurisdiction over the house. >> if there was a second trump term, what would that actually look like?
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because the former president said just the other day, he said, if elected again, he would tell his attorney general to indict his political opponents. >> look, let's not engage in nightmare scenarios -- >> it's a potentially very realistic scenario. >> well, who am i to say? i never thought he will be elected the first time. who would vote for such a person who said such horrible things about women and the rest? >> you told a reporter from the new york magazine a couple of weeks ago that you think it would be a criminal enterprise in the white house. >> i do. i definitely do. you just described one. you just described one. >> that's what you think a second term trump would be. >> yes, a criminal enterprise. he was engaged in one before. >> an enterprise for his personal gain or -- >> oh, yeah. i mean, why would you think that the president of the united states would make his first trip abroad to saudi arabia at a time
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where we're concerned about ki show gi, we're concerned about so many things? but why would he go to saudi arabia first unless it was -- unless it was something in it for him? but to say -- what did he say? he was going to indict all his political opponents? >> he told a rally that he would tell his attorney general to indict his political opponents. that's -- >> that's a banana republic without the banana. that's a terrible thing. it's a terrible thing. i really think we have to just be hopeful. we have a great president. he has accomplished so many things, and i take some participation in that, the house and senate, democrats. and we had some bipartisan victories too. >> and yet with all the accomplishments, you look at national polls. many different national polls. and essentially, it looks to be a very close race between a potential matchup between the former president and the current president. >> it's mystifying. but, again, it has to be communicated more directly.
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what this means to your kitchen table? now, polls being polls, in the last election one year ago -- nearly one year ago -- you recall it was being reported that we were going to lose by 40 votes, a red wave, a red something, i don't know. >> every election we learn the meaninglessness of polls. >> a minimum of 30, we lost 5. in new york we lost 5. but we can win those back. but it wasn't what they said it was going to be. and you know why? because we had a contrast. these members, or these candidates, subscribed to a anti-women's right to choose, a anti-gun violence prevention, anticlimate issues. and they paid the price. >> there were a lot of people in the democratic party who estimated the impact the roe decision would have, the dobbs
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decision would have on voters. >> i made it clear to them because they were saying, it's in the rear-view mirror. people don't care about the dobbs decision. i said, thanks a lot. you don't even know what you're talking about. you're sitting someplace and we're in the districts. and we know the power of that issue. it's a democracy issue. it's not just a choice issue. it's a freedom issue. it's a democracy issue. and it was a winning issue. >> in fact, i remember interviewing you just before the vote, the election, and you were saying to me, i'm talking to people out there. i think it's going to be much better. and i can't tell you how many people afterward said to me, you know, of course she's going to say that. >> poor baby. >> yeah. she's really, really committed to that. >> no, i'm not a poor baby. i'm more reptilian, cold blooded. >> we're going to take a short break. i want to talk to you more about president biden and some other things. >> thank you. one of those other things is my question to her about the
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would rise to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor. i think it would be unusual to see a referral of impeachment. i don't expect that to happen. >> senator romney voted twice to convict the former president. today he called on both him and president biden to drop out of the 2024 race. >> oh, i think it would be a great thing if both president biden and former president trump were to stand aside and let their respective party pick someone in the next generation. president trump -- excuse me, president biden, when he was running, said he was a transitional figure to the next generation. well, time to transition. david ignatius this morning made a strong argument that we should see that kind of a change. i think both parties would be far better-served if they were going to be represented by people other than those of us from the baby boom generation. >> here's part two of my conversation with nancy pelosi, starting with the choice she made. i want to make about your decision to seek re-election. what was the motivating factor? what was the final decision? >> well, the motivating
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factor -- then there were some other considerations. but for 20 years, my district had given me the latitude to be the speaker or the leader. that means for 20 years i had to be responsible for everything on the floor of the house. it was about raising money to win the election. it was -- i went to 87 countries. i'm the first leader in i don't know how long that ever even had a security credential who rose to the heights of speaker or leader in the congress. so, i had a global and national set of responsibilities. and of course my domestic ones. i say to the members, whatever honors you may have given me to be speaker, leader, whip, whatever, there's no honor greater to me than to walk on that floor and think that i am sent there by the people of san francisco to speak for them.
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so, that was my central point. in addition to that, i have some political responsibilities. i am determined that we will win the house. president biden will win the white house, and that we will -- >> the former president is seeking re-election, do you think you would have been as determined to seek re-election? >> well, i don't even know who they're going to nominate. you think they'll nominate a twice-impeached, once-defeated and multi-indicted person to be president of the united states? >> do you think these cases will be adjudicated? >> i have no idea. i know nothing. i keep my distance from the courts and what they're doing there. i don't even ask the question. >> there's obviously -- even among very loyal democrats, there's a lot of concerns about the president. is he the best candidate to defeat donald trump, the best candidate to defeat any of the republicans who are running right now? >> i think so. yes. president biden has -- he has
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great experience and wisdom. he's been at this for a long time, as you know, as a senator, vice president, and now president. he has a vision for our country that's about fairness and justice and addressing the kitchen table issues of america's working families. he has that vision. he knows why he wants to be president and is president. he has knowledge of the issues and therefore judgment to be respected and wisdom that he brings to the table. >> so, why is there such concern about among a lot of democrats about him? >> i travel a bit in those circles of democrats, nationally and politically. and while there may be some concerns, everybody's for him. wr overwhelmingly, everybody's for him. >> do you think there's any chance he does not continue running? >> i hope not. i hope not. >> ignatius came out saying he thinks the former president should not run. >> yeah. so?
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that's one. and he also said he shouldn't run because he allowed me to go to taiwan. nobody allows me to do anything. i was speaker of the house. an invitation came from the taiwan government for me to go there. it wasn't up to david ignatius -- >> is vice president kamala harris the best running mate for this president? >> he thinks so, and that's what matters. she's very politically astute. i don't think people give her enough credit. her values based consistent with the president's values. why would she vice president if she were not. when she was running for attorney general in california, she had 6% in the polls. 6% in the polls. and she politically, astutely made her case about why she would be good, did her politics, and became attorney general. so, people shouldn't underestimate what kamala harris brings to the table. >> do you think she is the best
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running mate though? >> she's the vice president of the united states. people say to me, well, why isn't she doing this or that? i say, because she's the vice president. that's the job description. you don't do that much. you know, you -- you're a source of strength, inspiration, intellectual resource, and the rest, and you -- and i think she's represented our country very well at home and abroad. >> in terms of just our democracy, i mean, where are you in the spectrum of concern? >> okay. here is where i am. i think nothing less is at stake than our democracy in this election. you've heard me say before, this is the most important election of our time. we all say that each time because it is and it just gets to be more so. but i'm writing a book now and i'm thinking about calling it "and our flag is still there." and why i say that is, being born and raised in baltimore,
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where the national anthem was written. i cheer when it says "proof through the night that our flag was still there." we have to prove through the night that we're in, uncertainty of this election, that our flag is still there, with liberty and justice for all, as we pledge every day. and i think that is what is at stake, nothing less than our democracy. and, again, you hear that in the country, you hear that globally. and we have to remove all doubt that our democracy is strong, never underestimate the strength of our democracy and the goodness of the american people, honoring the values of our founders, the sacrifice of our men and women in uniform, and the aspirations of our children. >> speaker pelosi, thank you for your time. >> my pleasure, thank you. so, we covered a lot of ground. plenty to talk about with cnn's audie cornish, also cnn adam
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kinzinger, member of the house january 6th select committee. audie, what stood out to you? >> first of all, she's not an easy interview. so, i did admire, as you tried to get her to be very specific in certain answers. what stood out to me, though, certainly was her answer about kamala harris. first of all -- >> she didn't say yes. >> she -- well, she said it was biden's decision. more importantly, she offered a nugget of defense of vice president harris, which is she is politically astute. if there's one thing about nancy pelosi, she respects wins. that's what she brought to the caucus. that's the energy she brings to things. she very much said, look, this person can do it. don't underestimate them. and she didn't have to say that. there's lots of people who have been, kind of, squirrely in their answers, and she wasn't. >> congressman kinzinger, i referred to david ignatius' "washington post" op-ed today,
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arguing that president biden should not run again. she said, i think biden risks undoing his greatest achievement, which is stopping trump. do you think joe biden can beat trump again? >> yeah, he can. it is a risk. it's a risk and a decision that my democratic friends have to make because if you have a -- don't mean this ma jor tivoli -- but a mcconnell moment where he freezes or seems to be thinking slowly, that is going to be the number one issue republicans run on. you hear some presidential candidates saying it's really a run against kamala harris. i do think it's a risk democrats take. i may disagree with joe biden on a lot of issues, but he has been quite effective. he has really passed -- you think about passing the chips act, which i think i was the only republican to vote for, his infrastructure bill. i didn't vote for and didn't agree with the inflation reduction act, but that was still a big accomplishment on his end. if you look at the bipartisan
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achievements, he has a lot to brag about. the problem, anderson, if i was a democratic strategist is saying, we have to get the message out. it's not the job of the media. it's not the job of anybody but the candidate to get that message out. i know they're going to try, but that's the risk they have to run. he has every right to run again. he's got another term left in him, and it is a concern for them. >> anderson, i want to add one more thing there. one of the things about having this conversation is we're frequently having it in isolation. the truth is, this conversation would be very different depending what the economy is doing at that time, if there's a foreign policy crisis, if there's some sort of issue with the vice president. there are many other things that can contribute to what people perceive as competence or not competence. if you think back to john mccain running for president, the way he approached the economy at that time as it was cratering did not instill confidence. so, then, of course, the age thing did become more of a
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factor. and i think sometimes it's very easy to do a, kind of, parlor game of washington or should he, should he not, should he, should he not, when the fact is it's really about what the performance will be when the time comes. >> that's what the risk is involved. nobody know what is the issue will be at the time and whether it -- >> they were trying to create a risk for joe biden with this particular issue, i think, in the way the media is talking about it. obviously the former president has a lot of risks as well. his just happened to be legal. we're not offering the voters necessarily an ideal choice, you know, in terms of, like, candidates who are any younger or don't have very specific baggage. >> congressman kinzinger, you talk about joe biden's accomplishments. when you look at what the republicans in the house have accomplished, i mean, what stands out? are there real accomplishments to look at? i mean, so many ran on border security. what have they actually done on border security?
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>> they've done nothing. i mean, i guess they didn't default on debt. that's a good thing. they're about to close down the government. that's not a good thing. so, i don't know. i mean, i think it's such a tight majority. but nancy pelosi had a really tight majority and was able to achieve a lot of stuff. so, look, they're going to turn around and impeach joe biden because -- actually a year ago, i said, they're going to impeach joe biden. why? because they have to because of the pressures there. so, that's what they're going to try to run on achievements. it's just it's hard to do. you have a party right now that is so divided, that is so divided against itself, that doesn't agreen to outcomes and where they want to go. so, no, there have been no republican achievements. i guess maybe stopping some of joe biden's priorities. >> audie, when the first impeachment of president trump, when it was announced by then. speaker pelosi, she said, it's not -- this isn't an inquiry. it's not necessarily going to be an impeachment. a lot of republicans scoffed and
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said, look, it's like once you jump out of a plane you're committed to it. it's now the flip. now the republicans are saying, look, this is -- mccarthy is saying, this is just an inquiry. do you think this is inevitable that this leads to impeachment? >> i think that impeachment was originally to be considered an extreme sanction on a person at a very important and high office and that the public has not looked kindly on impeachments that they think are about goosing the polls or, as mr. kinzinger essentially said, trying to create achievement where there is none. and people have become far more savvy about what impeachment is trying to accomplish or not. and it is doing damage to the process itself. >> congressman, you heard speaker pelosi say that former president trump and certain members of the republican caucus are pulling the strings on impeachment. is that how you see it? obviously cnn has been reporting trump talked to sher lease stefanik about it just yesterday. >> yeah, i mean, look, i don't think it's necessarily that
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somebody is pulling the strings. what i have learned is that whenever you have, kind of, an extreme idea or a crazy idea that is suggested, that ends up having to happen because now everybody is, kind of, compared to the craziest idea. i would go to a lincoln day dinner, a big republican fund-raiser thing, and you would always hear five people that have these crazy theories. you knew a year later when you went back there, everyone would be saying those crazy theories. the train is out of the station. they're going to have to try to impeach joe biden, regardless what they come up with. i just want to say to my democratic friends out there, please don't use this -- you have every right to, but don't use this as an excuse to mimic some of these republican processes because we have to have at least one party that is steadfast holding the standards, holding the democratic principles, small d, and saying that impeachment is something only to be used in extreme circumstances. democrats have every right to fight fire with fire but please
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don't because you right now are the adults trying to hold democracy together. >> given your experience in the house, do you think speaker mccarthy keeps his job? >> joi don't know. i mean, i -- he's kind of surprised me a couple of times, like with the debt limit deal and the fact he even got elected as speaker. but i think he's going to have to completely capitulate to the likes of matt gaetz or he would certainly have his job threatened. i would not want to be in the gop conference right now. i was angry at times when we would have these kinds of debates, and they've gotten way further down the crazy track than when i was there. i think he survives but maybe, maybe not. just ahead, new details about how the extensive manhunt for an escaped killer ended in pennsylvania. and we're also talking to the killer's former roommate who is trying to help police. we'll be right back. hotos that are analyzed by ai.
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. the 13-day manhunt for an armed escaped murderer forced schools to close and left area residents fearful ended today with his capture. police described cavalcante today as defiant and still resisting arrest. he later appeared in court on a charge of felony escape. bail was denied. he's now in state prison. brian todd has details about how the search came to an end thanks to heat-seeking technology and a police dog named yoda. >> the subject is in custody. >> reporter: escaped murder convict danelo cavalcante captured after nearly two weeks on the run. >> our nightmare is finally over. >> reporter: a burglar alarm
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overnight led to a heat signal spotted by aerial infrared. tactical teams converged on the location inside the search zone. >> they were able to move in quietly. they had the element of surprise. cavalcante did not realize he was surrounded until that had occurred. that did not stop him from trying to escape. he began to crawl through thick underbrush, taking his rifle with him. >> reporter: but he did not have an opportunity to shoot. a k-9 officer released a police dog. >> the dog subdued him and team members immediately moved in. he continued to resist but was forcibly taken into custody. >> reporter: within five minutes, it was over. >> reporter: police say the rifle cavalcante had with him was within his reach, as he was struggling to get free from the dog. deadly force was not used, despite being authorized. >> the gun was absolutely a factor in the threat. the dog is very quick, has the
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ability to disable someone and take them off guard so they're not able to do something like fire a gun or use a knife or whatever other thing -- or escape even. >> reporter: authorities say cavalcante was bleeding from a scalp wound caused by the dog, but it was not significant. >> he looked as though he had been put through an awful lot. he looked tired, wet, and stressed. >> reporter: police say there are people who wanted to help him but were prevented from doing so, including his sister, who has been referred for deportation proceedings. cavalcante escaped 13 days ago while serving life in prison for killing his former girlfriend debra brandow in 2021. for the family of the victims -- >> they haven't felt safe anywhere. this is a tremendous relief. >> reporter: same for many residents. >> it's relieving, scary for people around whohere. >> it's nice to be able to come back out and make a living. >> brian todd joins us now, very
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near are cavalcante was apprehended. what's his status right now? >> reporter: anderson, we have a new booking photo for danelo cavalcante. this photo is him being processed at a facility called sci phoenix. that is in montgomery county, pennsylvania. that is a maximum security prison, where he will be serving his life sentence. we also know that he's been charged with felony escape in connection oto this manhunt. also tonight we have a statement from the family of the murdered ex-girlfriend, debra brandow. this is from debra brandow's sister. we are profoundly grateful for the hard work performed by the u.s. police the past two weeks. terrifying, as they brought back all the feelings of losing my sister and the idea that this criminal could hurt us again. and of course asked for privacy,
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as they say they're going to recompose themselves. and anderson, the status of another individual involved in this. we have received a picture and information about the dog who took danelo cavalcante down just a short distance from where i'm standing. the dog is a 4-year-old belgian malinois named yoda. from every account, this dog was incredibly heroic and tough. tracking him as he tried to crawl away with his rifle. and lieutenant colonel george bivens of the pennsylvania state police said that while yoda was basically tackling him and on top of him, that rifle was within reaching distance of danelo cavalcante and cavalcante was resisting the dog. you can imagine this was a close call that this dog could have been injured, possible shot by cavalcante. luckily none of that happened. >> joined by franko rosa. he and cavalcante are former roommates. cavalcante moved out one day before he stabbed to death his
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girlfriend in 2021. i'm wondered what went through your mind when you heard your former roommate had been captured? >> it was a huge relief. i couldn't believe it for the first few seconds. and i just start crying. i was really relieved. >> had you been afraid at all for your safety while he was on the run? obviously he was reaching out to people he knew even from long ago. >> yes, yes, of course. i didn't know if he would come here. in the beginning i was like, okay, i don't think he's going to come here. i think he's going to try to go somewhere else in the country and maybe go to another country. but then on sunday, when i heard that he was nearby, i was, like, extremely nervous. i was anxious. i didn't know what to do. so much stuff going through my mind. >> we're looking -- i want to show people video of him moving out of your apartment the day
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before he murdered his girlfriend. did he seem like a violent person when you knew him? had he had -- did you know about issues between him and his fo former girlfriend? >> the only thing that i knew was that he had an argument with her, but nothing, like, violent. it was just, like, an argument and then they split up and then he moved to my house. but he was super-quiet, super-quiet and working so much. he would leave the house between 5:00 and 6:00 in the morning and come back, like, around 8:00, 9:00, 10:00 p.m. and, yeah, it was really quiet, shy guy and working a lot. >> did you know when he lived with you that he was wanted in connection with a homicide in brazil? >> no. no idea. i just found out one or two days after the murder of his ex. >> franko rosa, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. joining me now are chief law
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enforcement analyst john miller, former nypd deputy commissioner. john, it's over, finally. you and i have been talking about this for quite a while. what do you make of how it all unfolded? >> it was fascinating to watch it unfold as it did. you know, at 1:00 in the morning when that dea surveillance plane is circling, this is a team that's usually following drug dealers, looking for a drug tr transaction or a money drop. but here they are circling the woods at 1:00 in the morning. they spot a heat signal, and they say it looks like a person, and it looks like a person who's crawling. that was a real indicator to them that it wasn't another one of these false positives, which it was a deer moving through the woods or something. they set up around that. we've also learned a lot more about his four-hour interview with u.s. marshals, talking about clark tonight and what he told them, how he operated on the run. >> and what do we know?
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>> you know, it's some of what we expected. he was sticking to the woods, hiding in the day time, moving at night, trying to steal things from houses, came up with a backpack that had clothes and shaving gear, which made it easy for him to get rid of the beard and mustache and change his appearance. he survived on watermelon and water from the streams. he went so far as to when he had to relieve himself actually bury his own fecal matter because he took into account the search parties would realize that didn't come from a deer or a rabbit and they would know they were on the right track. interesting three times they were so close if they had stepped one direction or another they would have stepped on him. but he was laying in the brush still and not breathing until the search party passed. so, they've been close. >> he's now in a pennsylvania state prison to carry out the rest of that life sentence he was serving. does he then get -- somebody's
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escaped. do they get extra restrictions in prison? are they watched more carefully? >> he's got a couple things going. number one, he's going to be treated as an extreme escape risk. number two, he's in a more secure facility where there are more concentric circles of security. so, it's a place that will be harder to escape from. it's a state prison. and of course he's going to be treated differently. he's also going to be charged with escape. one last thing of interest, anderson, because you and i talked about this a couple of times over the last 24 hours, which is the introduction of the gun into this scenario. you know, we talked last night about that brings opportunity he didn't have before. he could do a robbery, get cash, he could use it for a carjacking. indeed we are told in the interview with the state police and the u.s. marshals, he said that was his plan. he was going to use the gun to do a carjacking and get that vehicle and go as far as he could go toward the canadian
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border and if he had to, carjack another one. so, all of our assumptions and worrys that people in the area were in danger were founded, it appears. >> i've just got to talk about this dog, yoda, with you. police dogs -- i support a charity called spike's k-9 fund, that my friend jimmy hatch runs, that provides tactical vests and training for police dogs. a lot of police dogs don't have tactical vests, and they get killed all the time. they get shot. they get stabbed. i've been at -- i wore one of those suits and got hit by a belgian malinois. it's quite an experience. >> it is. the belgian malinois -- what we consider a police dog is the german shepherd. but the belgian malinois is emerging as a smart, fast, agile dog that is very amenable to the training. but as you point out, yoda turned this into less than
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lethal affair. if he stood up with that weapon, it's likely he would have been shot. as you also point out, customs and border protection, the border patrol, they've lost nine of these dogs in the line of duty who have been killed over the recent years. they actually hold memorial services for them as they would for a fallen officer. these are smart, dedicated, and essential animals and friends but also players in their tactical performance. >> yeah. i started supporting spike's k-9 fund. there was a guy name kreeger in virginia beach who got killed, and that's why i started. john miller, thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up next, vladimir putin and kim jong-un hold face-to-face talks. the possible arms deal they discussed. the invitation kim extended to putin, and what washington is saying about it all coming up. new footage of the catastrophic flooding in libya, where the central government says upwards of 6,000 people have died.
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north korean state media is reporting tonight that kim jong-un invited vladimir putin to visit pyongyang at a
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convenient time, and the russian leader has happily accepted the offer. this comes after the two leaders held high stakes talks in russia today that the u.s. is calling troubling. their meeting took place soon after north korea launched a missile. kim praised moscow saying, quote, i will always stand with russia. more on the summit now with cnn's matthew chance. >> reporter: from armored train to armored limo, kim jong-un was greeted by putin himself, the leaders of two of the world's most sanctioned countries, then shook hands for some 40 seconds. thank you for inviting me at this busy time, says kim. we're glad to have you, putin replies. both have much to gain at the moment from each other. this is where russia builds its rocket delivery systems for
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>> touring the facility with hiss russian host, he asked enthusiastic questions about the size and power of the rockets. signing a visitor book with the words, glory to russia, which gave birth to the first space conquerors, helping north korea with its own space ambitions, putin said earlier, is why they are here. the kremlin's real reason may be more down to earth. the grinding war in ukraine has caused acute shortages of weapons and ammunition. north korea has vast supplies that russian analysts say could be delivered in just days if a deal is done. so far there has been just words. the russian people and military will emerge victorious in the fight to punish the evil forces,
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to pursue edge emany and expansion. an actual deal would be an alarming marriage of convenience. on both sides seem ready to toast. >> and matthew chance joins us now. the media is saying that kim jong-un has invited him to north korea. >> they said at the moment, there is no reason to travel to north korea. but assist that he's been invited anyway at a convenient time and putin happily accepted it. i mean, look, previously, it was the priority, the relationship between russia and north korea. not for moscow anyway. but now there is a different motivation driving it. russia desperately needs ammunition, potentially from north korean sources as well. so we may see a close
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relationship and more time being spent by the leaders of those countries in each other's lands. >> i think words noting that russia has supported sanctions over the nuclear weapons programs. has putin, the russian authorities commented on the future of those sanctions? >> reporter: they have, yes. they've been asked about them, particularly because of all the speculation about the big arms deal and the trade in arms is specifically banned by the united nations security council when it comes to north korea. and russia is a member of the security council. so they signed up to that ban. the same use with technology like rocket engines that can be launched, used to launch satellites but also launched to carry explosive warheads as well. the kremlin says russia remains
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a responsible member of the u.n. security council and says it will continue to work as part of organization. but it's been ambiguous. it has also that at the same time, north korea is a close neighbor and we will continue to develop our relationship with that country. so i think it has left the door open as to, intentionally, as to whether it is going to strike a big arms deal with north korea or not. >> matthew chance in moscow for us tonight. thank you. libya relief money is beginning to flow in in the face of truly staggering need. this is drone footage from the height of it after heavy rainfall and the collapse of two dams left entire towns under water. today the u.s. and great britain announced several million dollars in humanitarian experience even as the scope of the disaster came into focus. >> reporter: the bodies are everywhere. dozens, dozens of the dead covered in blankets, awaiting
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identification and burial. the dead number in the thousands, but so far, no one really knows how many were taken by storm daniel. survivors are finding more and more bodies. rescue workers and volunteers helped retrieve the body of a boy wrapped in a blanket and prepared to put him in a body bag. his father arrives, overcome emotionally. doctors fear so many dead left in the open could lead to an outbreak of disease. we are unable to identify all the bodies and bury them, says this woman, identified as dr. aisha. we want to provide a humane place. freezers where loved ones can then identify them. access remains difficult. the flood destroyed many of the roads and bridges leading to the
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the update on hurricane lee. hurricane watches have been issued for maine and storm watches for nantucket. it is expected to remain very large and dangerous, which means even if the storm doesn't make landfall in the u.s., new england may still be hit with tropical storm force winds. that could occur as early as late friday. the news continues with "the source" with kaitlan collins